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DVLA mix-up
DVLA mix-up
Published by grotbag
04-08-2008
DVLA mix-up

AN MCN reader has been told the motorcycle licence he has held for a decade was issued to him by mistake.

Gareth Jordan passed his full motorcycle test in 1997 and has been riding daily ever since.

But last month DVLA wrote to tell him the licence issued was “incorrect” and should not have included motorcycle entitlement.

The letter, from the customer services department, tells Jordan his motorcycle licence has been taken away “free of charge” and says he must re-sit his test to get it back.

Gareth Jordan, 27, from Oxted, had his bike licence revoked in 1999 under new rider laws because he received six penalty points within two years of passing his test. DVLA then reinstated it after he passed his driving test.

But the agency now says that in order to have it reinstated he should have re-taken a test for a type of vehicle he was already entitled to use.

Because the driving test was his first one, the agency says it doesn’t count after all.

The DVLA letter says: ‘Unfortunately DVLA have issued you with a driving licence with entitlement to categories of vehicles you are not entitled to drive.

‘The law requires us to issue the correct licence, your record has been amended and a replacement licence issued to you free of charge (this has been sent under separate cover). You will now have to re-sit driving tests to regain entitlement to other groups.’

MCN asked DVLA what would have happened if police had stopped Jordan and realised he should not have been entitled to ride.

The agency refused to comment on the specific case but said: “As a general comment… it would be for the police and Crown Prosecution Service to decide whether an offence had been committed and whether to prosecute, and for the courts to decide guilt.

“However, DVLA would bring it to the attention of the prosecuting body if it was known that the entitlement displayed on the licence had been granted in error.”

Jordan, who has a Kawasaki ZX-9R he can no longer ride, said: “So basically what they’re saying is because of their mistake I could have been prosecuted. Nice.”

The PR worker said he was planning to retaking his bike test but did not know whether he’d be able to get insurance again for his bike.

“It’s hindered me horrendously,” he added.

“I now have to get the train everywhere.”


The full letter from DVLA

Dear Mr Jordan
In refer to your current driving licence

It has come to our attention that following the revocation of your driving licence under the provisions of the Road Traffic (New Drivers) Act 1995, you have been issued with an incorrect licence. The Act states that a driver will lose entitlement to all categories previously held and to regain this entitlement a re-test in one of those categories must be taken to regain all previous entitlement.

Records at DVLA indicate that the driving test you sat, and passed, following the revocation of your licence was for a category not previously held. Consequently you should only have been issued with a full licence for that category and provisional entitlement for previously held categories. Unfortunately DVLA have issued you with a driving licence with entitlement to categories of vehicles you are not entitled to drive.

The law requires us to issue the correct licence, your record has been amended and a replacement licence issued to you free of charge (this has been sent under separate cover). You will now have to re-sit driving tests to regain entitlement to other groups.

Please accept my apologies on behalf of the Agency for what I know will be a disappointment, but it is not possible to ignore the legal requirements. I trust, however, that I have been able to explain the matter in sufficient detail for you.

Yours sincerely

Donna Williams

Driver Customer Services

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By peanut on 04-08-2008, 08:57 PM
Question Re: DVLA mix-up

Sorry to stay from the subject, but you mention the 6 points 2 years rule.
Does this affect the car part of the licence or do you only have to re-sit the bike test?
The reason i ask is i just passed the bike test 8 months ago.
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By grotbag on 04-08-2008, 10:18 PM
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As I understand it, if your done for a biking offense, its the bike part of your license thats affected.

If your done for a car offense it's the car part of the license thats affected
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By Spree on 04-08-2008, 10:59 PM
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I thought it was the license as a whole that was affected
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By grotbag on 04-08-2008, 11:05 PM
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I'm sure I read somewhere about a full car license holder then doing A1 test gets into trouble for biking offense and looses bike part of license but car parts unaffected ........ will see what I can find on the web
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By deano on 04-08-2008, 11:26 PM
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hmmm so if ya get banned for drink driving or totting up or summet on yer bike you can just switch to driving yer car? nah
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By druidsam on 04-09-2008, 06:40 AM
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i thought the 6 point rule only affected "new" drivers,so if you had a liscence for a few years then added a category the 6 point thing didnt apply



.......................Sam
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By grotbag on 04-09-2008, 05:15 PM
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Couldn't find the article I remember reading originaly but found these bits and bobs ;

THINK! advice - new drivers

If you've just passed your first driving test - congratulations! But remember, if you clock up six or more penalty points in the next two years, you'll lose your licence and have to take the test again.

Statistics show you're most at risk of having an accident in the two years or so after you pass your test - one in five newly qualified drivers have a crash within a year. We'll take your licence away if you increase that risk by committing offences like speeding.

Penalty points

The main penalty point offences are:

* Speeding: 3-6 points
* Going through a red light: 3 points
* Careless driving: 3-9 points
* Driving without insurance: 6-8 points
* Failing to stop after an accident: 5-10 points

If you run six or more penalty points, you'll get a letter telling you your licence is no longer valid. You should inform your insurance company immediately.

You will have to apply for a new provisional licence to continue driving as a learner.

Driving as a learner

Remember, as a learner:

* You can't drive on the motorway;
* You must display L plates;
* You can't drive a car unless you're accompanied by someone over 21 who has had a full driving licence for at least three years;
* You're limited to less powerful motorbikes.

The retest

The retest is just the same as a normal driving test. You must pay for and take both the theory and practical sections.

If you pass the retest and then run up more penalty points, you won't have to go through the same process again. But any points will stay on your licence, so you risk losing it anyway.
UK Department for Transport | THINK! Road Safety - Welcome to the THINK! web site

1: The scheme is for first-time drivers, so if you already have a full licence in one category and pass a test in another you do not have another probationary period.However, foreign drivers neeed to read the paragraph about 'Foreign Drivers' because it could be different for them.
2: If you are over 21, you can practise for your retest on larger bikes with certain conditions. See the leaflet "Mopeds and motorcycles routes to your licence" (T/INF/330).
UK Department for Transport | THINK! Road Safety - Welcome to the THINK! web site

Have I got the wrong end of the stick then?
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