Despite the fact that statistics show over and over again, that speeding is NOT what causes road fatalities, it's still THE way for governments to pick your pockets. Now, in the UK, they're planning to go one step further.

If you are caught for a 2nd time speeding on your motorcycle...

seems like your on my kinda wavelength... ish

I stick to limits 30, and 40, pretty much all the time... but when out in the sticks in the national speed limit then the use of speed is ok when traffic and road conditions allow. If you get caught fair enough..that's the risk you take.

Persoanlly I would throw the book at ppl would speed in built up areas, near schools etc, that's fine... but these proposals completely miss the point, the ignore the road safety stats, Like deano says utter bollox... over simplistic rules for simple people

Look at idiots that do 40 whatever the circumstance, in a 30, in a 60, on the motorway whatever the weather.. deal with these morons, rather than bikers who ride quickly, but safely, and adjust thier speed to the road and weather conditions, even if on quiet roads, in good conditions they do break the speed limit.

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What he said.
And exactly the reason why I love riding round Durham and Weardale. Proper respect and attitude towards bikers and other road users.

no nope non niet I don't agree - if I agreed I wouldn't have disagreed in the 1st place

I can only be deemed to agree if my "heavier punishments" precisely equates to the 'ban for two '45mph or 95mph' offences referred to - and it most certainly doesn't

agreed 40mph drivers drive me crazy too and these people should be educated as to the frustration they cause
but if the law wasn't simple people would complain that it was overcomplicated.
at the risk of being one of the simple people what do the safety stats say?

Maybe stupid poeple would; but on average people are not that dumb


Take for instance 95 on the motorway...
if this is in rush hour in a busy city, in heavy rain, etc then surely that should be penalised more heavily than 95 on a quiet strecth of more rural motorway, with little or no traffic, on a bright clear day...

this is not a black and white issue... there are lots of shades of grey and each case should be judged in it's merits and not dealt with in such a inflexible approach as you seem to be advocating.

And safety stats show that excessive speed is only a major contributing factor to a very small minorty of accidents I think the figure is around 4% but cannot find the stat atm








FYI this is written by someone who has held a full licience for 21 years, and in that time, to date has had exactly 0 points and paid exactly £0 in fines. Yet I routinely ride at speeds in excess of the national limits in one of the most heavily policed and anti biker areas of the UK....

Go look at Durham constabularys figures. No fixed speed cameras and one mobile (bloody great yellow van) unit. They have the lowest accident statistics for the country, and one of the biggest areas to cover, with some of the most demanding roads.
Now thats safety stats to be proud of.

i agree with jw,deano and fm there are no cut and dry cases, i don't speed in 30 and 40 limits but i do like to use the potential of my vehicle (car/bike) in a safe considered way on the open road, as for the 2 offence ban bo**ocks to that!
well hondaboy you've got the ideal bike for these laws if they come in, you probably can't even do double the 30mph limit.

Yep, my mate Mick got caught twice in one day on the SAME CAMERA whilst riding his Bonny through Stourport. I sent him a white stick and a labrador.

I agree it's ridiculous to ban the second offence it's a little harsh i do to a certain extent agree those that speed in school areas and other little places should get instantly banned. But for the instant ban to be fair i think the road people who ever puts up signs should plan their limits better otherwise they can F*** *** some of the limits set and markings are put up by idiots and i've wittnessed this all over the place.

For Example

I was coming back from bury st edmonds today i come around a bend 40 limit sign, 50 yards down the road national speed limit sign i think wow some nice speed finally ah i think i can't even hit 70 on my bike on this little straight because by the time i do i'm inches away from a 30 limit again because of a little village. These idiot road sign people don't seem to realise just how dangerous this is. I'm sure many here can give examples and play out a nice little scenario.

The roads where i am are a right state every week there is somebody off the road or in the forest holes, bumps, cracks, endless pits, no curbs, animals obviously people go to quick for the road condition yet nobody seems to complain about how crap the road is it's very busy and the only way in and out of this place.

The government yet only seems to focus on one thing and can't look out of the box at what can be causing issues, for road user's and the unfortunates on the road.

For motorways i would strip the limit and do as they in Germany there is still much room for improvment here too if this idea would ever to be used. If somebody want's to do 186 on their r1 as long as they aren't harming anybody else i don't give monkeys how they ride on the motorway.

hate speed cameras just encourage erratic driving so well done durham.

but people aren't stupid for wanting simple easy to follow speed laws that should be properly enforced by uniformed officers in marked vehicles who use their discretion.

fact is the faster you going when you have an accident the more damage will be caused.

i'm not advocating inflexibility but there has to be a cut off point where speeding is said to be bloody dangerous no matter what the conditions and if someone is caught exceeding that speed they should not get as many chances as the current system allows