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Extra Motorcycle Test Procedures from 2008
Extra Motorcycle Test Procedures from 2008
Published by grotbag
04-24-2008
Extra Motorcycle Test Procedures from 2008

By Martin Curran, Kickstart Rider Training, Merseyside

I was at Cardington on another matter, and as this is the only place where they have the layout, I thought this would be a chance to have a look.

The staff couldn't have been more helpful. They seemed genuinely pleased that someone was showing an interest and asked if I not only wanted to look at it, but would I like to ride through it. They suggested that I could do it on my Pan European.

The 2008 test has supposedly been laid out for any size of bike from 125 to Gold Wing. The DSA line was 'How many people do scooter tests?' I don't know what they'll do when a scooter turns up.

The test starts by riding (you can ride or push) 20 yards into a box simulating a garage, stopping the engine and putting the bike on the stand. (Side stand or centre stand). There is a choice of 2 'garages' which are positioned alongside each other. The candidate must then wheel the bike backwards from one 'garage' into the other. (Imagine that with a Gold Wing, no you can't use reverse gear, the Pan was heavy enough!)

The candidate is then expected to take 'effective' rear observations, ride out of the garage, complete a slalom through approx 10 cones and then do 2 complete figure of 8's around the last two cones. I just about got through the slalom, missing the cones by inches (luck not judgement), and then did the widest figure of 8 possible. (The examiner did say that it was down to their discretion whether the exercise had been completed properly.)

The next exercise is to enter a bend, either left or right handed depending on the layout, at 30KPH. (whatever happened to MPH?) The bend is nowhere near as sharp as it looks and should be negotiated with ease by a competent rider.

On leaving the bend the rider must accelerate to 50KPH (32mph - this is why you can't do it on the public road!) and perform a swerve which simulates a vehicle pulling out of a side road. At this point there are speed measuring devices to ensure the rider has reached the required speed. My first attempt was a miserable failure as I only reached 47KPH. I understand that on test, candidates will be given one more attempt. After the 'swerve' the rider must carry out a controlled stop within a box denoted by 4 cones.

The candidate then must take rear observations again, ride out of the box and carry out a U-Turn, again, I just got the Pan round. (I'm sure that's narrower than the roads used for the current U- Turn.)

As I had messed up the swerve by not going fast enough I was sent round the bend again to have another go. This time I entered the swerve at 57KPH, what a difference 10KPH makes. I was countersteering as hard as I could and just made it without hitting the cone.

Somewhere along the line the examiner got me to do an emergency stop, but, to be honest, my brain was so confused by all the manouevres, I can't remember where it came in.

Note: Since the Emergency Stop and U-turn have been done during off-road part of the test, they will not be done during the on-road test.

The two parts of the test are done in one go, the off-road part will be done first. If the Candidate passes the off-road part they will then be taken on the road. If they fail the off-road part, that's the end of the test

The test isn't too bad, the swerve is nowhere near as sharp as it looks on the DSA video. My only complaint would be that from leaving the bend it is very hard to get upto 50KPH. The rider is busy looking at his/her speedo, the cone they have to swerve around and the box they have to stop in. There is too much to take in all at once. I'd like to think I'm an experienced rider, but I did struggle with the speed aspect. First too slow, then too fast. The examiner said that candidates would be better at 52KPH than 48KPH as 50 is the minimum speed. I would suggest that they shouldn't hit 57KPH as that was scary.

The site at Cardington is huge. However it's still not big enough. I feel there should be more space for accelerating out of the bend to 50KPH. I've no idea how someone on a 125 will manage. God help the scooters!

Like most ATBs, I am not in a position to buy/rent a training site big enough to carry out the manouvres so I guess we'll have to improvise.

We can get trainees to practice pushing the bikes backwards, we can do a slalom and figure of 8 on-site, we can find a bend to ride around at 30kph, we can practice emergency and controlled stops but I've no idea where we can practice the 'swerve'. That is going to be a real problem.

The test has been tried out on Examiners, Instructors and willing members of the public, all of whom have, presumably, more than one brain cell. The DSA have timed the test at between 10 and 12 minutes. This begs the question, what will happen when the examiner has to deal with the likes of a customer I had last week. It took me 15 minutes to explain the press to cancel indicators on a CB500! I can see the timings falling apart and so delaying, or even resulting in the cancellation of the following tests.

As usual we have been dictated to by the E.U. or whatever it's called these days.

I fail to see what impact the test can have on accident figures.

We have had two part testing before and it was scrapped as it was found to have no valid use.

If anyone else has ridden through the 2008 test I'd be glad to hear your thoughts.

Martin Curran
Kickstart Rider Training
St.Helens


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By grotbag on 04-24-2008, 01:04 AM
Re: Extra Motorcycle Test Procedures from 2008

Dexterity Training Instructors (Ashford, Kent) have also ridden the new test:


Given the opportunity to try out the new pre-road element of the new motorcycle test almost 2 years before it comes into force was not one we were going to miss out on. So we packed a couple of bikes in a van and headed north to the DSA's Training Centre at Cardington, Bedfordshire...


Testing Times

Well, the first thing you notice is the sheer size of the area marked out for the test course; It's 125 metres by 40 metres (which is about an acre in real terms!), and it takes 86 coloured cones to mark out the course. Initially it seems bewildering and quite intimidating, even to an experienced rider who is there to evaluate it rather than being on test. I would have liked the opportunity to walk the course first, but, just as with test candidates there is no time for that.

The examiner accompanies me as I wheel my 500cc bike over to the starting point. He gives me the choice of which 'garage' of cones I wish to park it in initially, I chose the nearest one.

Bike Park

The first exercise is to wheel the bike backwards from one cone 'garage' into another and put it on its stand, (side-stand is fine) - you are allowed to do this in one arc or by a three-point-turn if you like, as long as the bike ends up in the new coned area facing outwards and you don't fall over any cones on the way! I do think some of the more slightly-built candidates will struggle with this one, and it may mean some will have to take their test on a smaller bike because of it.



Slalom & Figure-of-Eight

The examiner now gives a briefing about the Slalom and Figure-of-Eight exercise using a diagram on his clipboard. There are 5 yellow cones to slalom around and 2 blue ones to ride a figure-of-eight twice around. The reason we took a couple of 500cc student training bikes to Cardington rather than our own instructor bikes was to get a feel for the course through a student's eyes. We know our own bikes so well that it wouldn't have been a true evaluation. And now I'm ever-so-slightly starting to regret this fact as I set off on the slalom. It's actually quite challenging, not hugely difficult but certainly no walk in the park either, the slalom cones are 4.5 metres apart which means you have to concentrate.

Then straight into the figure-of-eight, which is even more challenging. These cones are 6 metres apart which sounds huge until you get there and then it isn't. After my second figure the examiner waves me over and briefs me for the next part.

Taxing Avoidance

Off I head, diagonally across the yard to begin my first curve, feeling fairly pleased with how it had gone so far, and the fact that I hadn't made a fool of myself in front of an examiner and fellow instructor (not that I expected to, but there's always that chance, and then you never live it down etc etc..).

The curve is fairly gentle but a bit damp compared with the rest of the yard. There's no speed measuring equipment on the bend but you are supposed (indeed recommended) to get to 30kph (18+mph) as you go round it. A quick glance at the speedo as I enter the bend reveals that I'm not going quickly enough, damn.

Coming out of the bend I accelerate towards the cone 'gate' that holds the speed measuring device, up into third gear, no time to look at the speedo, the gap I'm aiming for is only 1.5m wide, it's a bit like threading a needle and I don't want to miss it. Through the gap, throttle off, flick to the left, through the offset cone 'gate' and I'm braking, braking, slowing to a halt at the cone 'box' at the end. And even before the examiner tells me, I know it's not fast enough! 46kph, the minimum is 50kph (31mph), on test you get two goes at it so I do it again.

No mucking about feeling pleased with myself this time, keeping it at about 20mph in second around the curve, accelerating before I'm fully upright as I come out of the bend, through the speed trap, throttle off, flick left, hard braking, controlled stop in the box and it's 53kph this time, so 3kph above the minimum.

It occurs to me how tricky it is likely to be to hit the speed required on a 125cc bike compared with the 500cc.

My Turn

From here the U-turn is conducted, I am reminded by the examiner to treat the manoeuvre as if I am on the public road. So with a duly diligent look behind me I carry out the turn. This is probably the only part that, in my opinion, has got easier. It seems fairly wide by comparison to some of the roads used on the current test, and is on the flat of course.



Easy Rider

The examiner then briefs me to ride slowly behind his outstretched clipboard between two sets of green cones, again, not really tricky, but then I do a lot of walking-pace riding in my job...



E – Stop

Now the final part, the same curve again but without the swerve, just with an emergency stop at a minimum of 50kph (31mph). This time there was no way I was going to be under-speed on my first run. Indeed the speed monitor indicated in excess of 60kph. So that's it, the test all done in about 6 minutes.

Conclusion

Going back in the van we had time to discuss our thoughts on the day having done several runs of the course. Some of it is straight-forward, some of it is a bit more tricky. I think a lot of smug full licence holders would struggle with some of the exercises. But then that's always been the way, most car drivers would probably sweat a bit to pass the current car test.

The areas I think will catch out many are:

* The Slalom - we both came interestingly close to the cones once or twice.
* The Figure-of-Eight - there will be some red faces on this one I predict.
* The swerve/avoidance test - just simply getting up to the required speed (as on my first run) will catch some out, others will swerve and brake too soon and too hard simultaneously with the front brake and bin it.

Remember, without blowing our own trumpets too much, we are full licence holders, as well as experienced riders and motorcycle instructors, we rode it and found it needed concentration and ability and was certainly not a simple formality. As instructors we can teach novices to pass this test but it will take students' application and effort and will certainly be no walk in the park.



The Final Word

My advice would definitely be don't leave it too late, forget all the great reasons you may have for not learning to ride yet, and think of all the great reasons to do it now before it gets harder and you have one more reason not to do it.


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Dexterity Motorcycle Training -The New Motorcycle Test 2008 - Explained.
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By sandra_d on 08-26-2008, 08:13 AM
Re: Extra Motorcycle Test Procedures from 2008

Well after reading both the posts I'm more worried than ever...............I have my test on 29th September on the first day the new test is being introduced and given that I am on a 125cc I am concerned about getting up to speed coming off corner for the swerve. Hey Ho.........just another thing to worry about.

ps. No one happens to have a copy of the new test on dvd that I could have a look at? Unable to use link provided in downloaded docs from DSA (typical)

Thanks in advance
Sandra
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By grotbag on 08-26-2008, 10:15 AM
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Those articles are a few months old now Sandra. I was pretty worried about it but to be honest, I'm not any more.

Those guys who rode the new test probably haven't ridden a 125 for donkeys years but 125 riders are used to the bikes they ride. Also, as instructors, they dont ride a figure 8 etc do they, they just stand near you and tell you to go and do it then watch!! (If you see what I mean)

You've got to get up to 31 mph for the curve / bend and stop, I'm the biggest whimp going around bends but I've noticed that when I'm out and about I take most bends faster than that and I ride a 125.

I can't get this link to work but there might be more info here motorcycle.test@dsa.gsi.gov.uk
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By sandra_d on 08-26-2008, 03:30 PM
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Thanks Grotbag....

I think I'm just going to forget about all the instructors opinions, because I guess you are right in that they haven't ridden a 125cc in sooooooooo long. Im just gonna get round the bend safely and open her up!!

I'm kinda hoping to still get a cancellation on one of the old test slots but I'm not holding my breath.

Whats the worse that can happen...........I will be the first to fail the new test in the whole of South Wales..............lmbo..........No pressure then!!

Sand
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By fsec on 10-10-2008, 09:05 PM
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I am sure this has been posted somewhere, but since I am new and was worried also (especially since my instructor never even mentioned it) I thought i'd share it here.


Extra time granted for new motorcycle test
The Driving Standards Agency (DSA) has announced a delay of six months to the introduction of the new practical motorcycle test, originally scheduled for September 29, 2008.

The move comes after the Agency considered representations from the Motorcycle Industry Association (MCIA), the Motorcycle Rider Training Association (MRTA) and other motorcycle interests.

The new implementation date will now be Monday, March 30, 2009.

The decision to defer implementation will allow the DSA to carry on delivering motorcycle tests from a wider range of centres whilst working with motorcycle groups and to find a suitable solution for providing the new test service in problem locations.

Driving Standards Agency chief executive Rosemary Thew said: “Increasing road safety for motorcyclists has always been a top priority and it remains so. We listened carefully to the concerns put to us and this deferment acknowledges those concerns.

“None of us has lost sight of the fact that the aim of the new motorcycle test is to improve road safety for this important group of road users. This extra six months will give additional opportunity to find extra locations that we need to deliver the new test and potentially address gaps in service provision which have been highlighted to us.”

11 September 2008
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By grotbag on 10-10-2008, 09:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fsec View Post
I am sure this has been posted somewhere, but since I am new and was worried also (especially since my instructor never even mentioned it) I thought i'd share it here.
Thank for that fsec, if you have a wander around the forums, I think you'll find that was posted as a news item the day they issued that statement in September.
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By fsec on 10-10-2008, 09:14 PM
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Sorry about that. maybe you could delete it? <he says red faced>
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By grotbag on 10-10-2008, 09:16 PM
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no need you nutter!!
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